>> instead of going to the briefings and just taking whatever the press secretary is giving to you that day, that you cover it from the outside in and actually, bob, as i recall, those were some of the toughest stories that you had to deal with, when people didn't have a personal relationship with -- >> maybe ron has a point. >> one of the things about this, we've been in those briefings and they sit around and they are -- their meat that you have to deal is what you hear from the press secretary and a lot of them don't do as much follow-up, but i would -- i disagree about how tough this mainstream media is. if the people were really tough on this were nbc, abc, and fox, now, i mean, and a lot of other people, this was not something that was isolated to supposedly the conservative media. >> two years, later, bob. >> they were on this at the beginning. >> you are talking about benghazi? >> yeah. >> oh, god no.